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From Jonathan--June 6, 2007

Greetings, Dr. Dean HELLand,

Thank you very much for your views on the restored Church of Jesus Christ.  I feel extremely sorry for you as you have been given the opportunity to know the truth and have rejected it. 

I thought it amusing your name contains the word HELL, as the doctrine you preach about the Savior's own Church comes to you from Satan himself.

Please come back.  You can be forgiven.  The Savior loves you and I know he will forgive you.  Saul rejected and persecuted the saints.  Please, don't wait for an angel to appear, you can do it on your own.  Please come back to the truth!

Sincerely,
Jonathan

Dr. Dean's reply:

Thank you, Jonathan, for your most interesting observation on my name. You are the first person to make that precise connection. For your information, my grandfather came from Norway and changed his last name to "Helland" after the farmland where he was raise in Norway. In Norwegian it means "the Land of Good Fortune"!

Do  please write again!

From G. H.--April 30, 2007 

Dear Dean;

There have been many times in my life when I have looked for ways to or reasons or the ability to deny what I have experienced but I have never been able to.  What you have sent doesn't do the job either.  I  would hope that what you sent was personal and what you see as in my best interest. For that I thank you for caring. 

I would hope that out of respect for a fellow brother that you would allow and respect  my belief as I respect yours.  As time unfolds it will become clear if I have made the right choice or not. I would hope that if I have been deceived by the cunning and craftiness of men that the Savior will see that I have tried to lead a good life and that my love for those around me who ever they may be is without guile.
 
Thank you again for your caring concern


 
Dr. Helland's Reply:

Dear G. H.:

  I do thank you for your kind reply.  I do hope you check out my web site, especially the section entitled "Bible Scriptures for Mormons."  If you would be kind enough to critique my comments about what Mormonism teaches there, I would certainly appreciate it. 

 I sense your sincerity, and assure you that I have wished many times that someone had approached me as I have attempted to approach you, with a gentle and loving challenge to study the scriptures.

Yours truly,

Dean Helland

August 2009

Ex-Mormons

K. W. writes:

Hi Dean,

I am K. W.  I had a great time recently talking to some people about you, the
Mormon church and my experiences.  I did not know that you were raised in
the Re-Organized Mormon Church.  I would at some time like to sit and talk
with you about our experiences.  I was interested to learn that when you lost your faith in the Book of Mormon, you felt an evil presence leave you.  I too had a similar experience when I left the Mormon Church.  I think it interesting and very validating that two people leave the same/similar church and an evil presence leaves us. Thought provoking.

I remember one day driving in my car by myself, and felt a very evil spirit,
and to this day I really believe it was Satan himself.  He told me that I
had to come back.  I thought about what happened to me in the Mormon Church
and I got really mad. I was mad due to what Satan represents and does to
others is just WRONG and especially to children.  There is no grey areas, it
is wrong. I felt all this strength rise up inside of me and I turned to
Satan and I told him what he did and does to children and people is wrong
and I will stand up to him and fight him with all my strength even if I die
and will still continue to stand up for what is right and fight against what
he is.  In that very instant there was a flash and he was gone.  He never
came back. 

I hope to hear from you and look forward to talking to you when your time
permits.

Peace and Love in all things,
K. W.

Book of Mormon believers who are not Utah Mormons (LDS)

    Robert Maley's Story   (Press titles to follow hyperlinks)

    Robert Maley's Beliefs

    Sara Setchfield's Challenge

Someone else wrote:

Dear Dr. Dean:  How can you abandon your faith in the Book of Mormon when there is so much archeological evidence supporting it?  How dare you abandon your faith like that.  Don't you know that will condemn you to spend eternity with Satan in hell?

Dr. Dean's answer:  First of all, I praise God that Jesus Christ is my Savior and that not believing in some book other than the Bible is not going to cause me to go to hell! 

 Secondly, it seems that all the so-called archeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon is bogus.  It is enough to satisfy Mormon scientists, but no one else!  This is what the Smithsonian Institution wrote about all this "archeological evidence" that keeps popping up:

"No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt."

"Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books.  None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars.  No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland."

More from Robert Maley:

Yes, Jos. Smith, Jr. was quick to turn to any available source that would further his designs to build a Church based on an Old Testament, totalitarian, oligarchic model.  But he did not follow any Book of Mormon precedents or guidlines as he had been commanded, nor did he proceed by any divine-command instructions.  He was forced (in order to achieve his goals) to fabricate his revelations from other existing sources, significant of which was Freemasonry at the head of others.  The ultimate outcome was Mormonism, which has proven to be an embarrassment to both the LDS Church and Freemasons equally, due to striking similarities.

Maley

P.S.  Keep in touch.

A Series of Communications with Tammy Hughes, a follower of the teachings of David Whitmer:

You say "nearly all my family was baptized in the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, seeing visions and even witnessing miraculous healings in answer to prayer.”

       I assume that was the Holy Spirit, which healed and provided those visions, INCLUDING  “That convinced us that God was calling us to preach the Book of Mormon with signs following."

Was your family baptized in the Holy Spirit? Why would that spirit lie?

My answer:

As a guest on a radio program, I was once asked, “Do you believe that the Mormon Jesus can save your soul?

        I wanted to be clear in my answer, but to be clear, I had to clarify how I felt growing up as a Book of Mormon believer.  I said, “I have always loved Jesus from as early as I can remember.  As a young child, I remember praying and asking Jesus to let me die so I would be sure to go to heaven, since I was afraid that I might turn away from Jesus when I grew older, and I was sure to go to heaven if I died as a child.”

        “But do you think the Mormon Jesus can save your soul?” was the persistent question.

        “The plan of salvation is clearly taught in the Book of Mormon,” I replied.  “Many places there stress that only through faith in Christ and his work on the cross is there salvation, and I think that is the same gospel message that the Bible teaches.  Many people don’t know that and think that the Book of Mormon teaches a way other than Jesus to be saved.”

        “But do you think the Mormon Jesus can save your soul?” came the question again.
 

        “Well, no.” I said at last.  The Mormon Jesus cannot save anyone’s soul, and that is what God let me see and why I had to turn loose of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon!”
 

        “How is that?” was the next question.

        “Because the Jesus portrayed in the Book of Mormon is not the real Jesus that is presented in the Bible!” I replied.  The Bible is very clear that there will be those who come preaching “another Jesus” with “another spirit” and “another gospel”, and that is what we have in Mormonism.  We are told that “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light,” and that those who promote this other Jesus are “false apostles who transform themselves into the apostles of Christ.”  (2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-14)

        Now getting back to your question of how my family could be baptized in the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, seeing visions and even witnessing miraculous healings in answer to prayer” and concluding that “God was calling us to preach the Book of Mormon with signs following,” let me say this: 

        We never had the problem, as do most Mormons, of doubting the authority of the teachings of the Bible.  I believe God honored that.  In other words, if we were deceived into believing in a false Jesus, the one in the Book of Mormon, we were at least blessed by also believing in the real Jesus, the one in the Bible.  Our problem was that of not being able to distinguish between the two.

        And if we were mistaken in how to find the real Jesus, the real Jesus knew how to find us and break through to us so that we could distinguish the difference between the two.  That is what happened:  the real Jesus honored our faith in him, let us taste his fullness by granting us genuine evidences of His presence and love for us, but let us follow our erroneous ideas based on the Book of Mormon to find out where they would take us, and then gently led us out of error and into His wonderful light!

         My understanding of what happened is that there were two opposing powers competing for our souls and we mixed up their messages, supposing them to be one and the same.  If you study the early history of Mormonism, you will see that this is not unlike what happened to many people at that time.  There were tremendous revival movements at the time with many spiritual manifestations, some of God and some not of God.  People had to choose which to follow.  Those who followed the Bible as the complete and sufficient Word of God stayed in one camp, and those who were willing to listen to other voices went off into different paths.  One of those voices was Joseph Smith's and Mormonism.

         God loves everyone and is not willing that any should perish.  But God has given us a free will, and does not force us to follow him.  He even allows those whose hearts are not right to be deceived.  (1 Corinthians 11:19)  However, we can know him through the light of the Word of God which Jesus believed and which he fulfilled.  (see Isaiah 8:20, Isaiah 40:8, Isaiah 50:11 and Matthew 5:17-18)

         I hope this sheds some light on your question of how we confused the manifestations of power that God gave us right after we were baptized with the Holy Spirit with the Book of Mormon message which we believed at that time to be of God.  

        Thanks again for caring enough to write.
 

Tammy writes again:

8/26/09:

Are you sincere in following God? Will you fix the error claiming the Gentiles "will be destroyed?" There is no use dialoguing if you are not sincere.

My reply:

Dear Tammy:

  Please read the words of the Book of Mormon Jesus in 3 Nephi 16:7-16. 

  According to the Book of Mormon Jesus (who I believe is a pale imitation of the Bible Jesus), the Gentiles who do not repent and accept "the fullness of my gospel" will be destroyed by the converted Israelites in the last days (see 3 Nephi 16:15-16).  You can see that the Americas, then will be inherited by the righteous gentiles who will be counted as part of Israel, and the American Indians who are the offspring of Lehi and those who came over to this continent some 600 years before Christ to populate this hemisphere.

  After the Book of Mormon Jesus serves the sacrament to the multitude in 3 Nephi 20, he continues this thought in verse 10:

  “And it came to pass that when they had all given glory unto Jesus, he said unto them:  Behold now I finished the commandment which the Father hath commanded me concerning this people, who are a remnant of the house of Israel.” (Italics are mine)

He then quotes Isaiah and applies it directly to the people standing before him:

14. “And the Father hath commanded me that I should give unto you this land, for your inheritance. 

15.  “And I say unto you, that if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people—

16. “Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

17. “Thy hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.

18.  “And I will gather my people together as a man gathereth his sheaves into the floor.

19.  “For I will make my people with whom the Father hath covenanted, yea, I will make thy horn iron, and I will mande thy hoofs brass.  And thou shalt beat in pieces many people; and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.  And behold, I am he who doeth it.

20.  “And it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that the sword of my justice shall hang over them at that day; and except they repent it shall fall upon them, saith the Father, yea, even upon all the nations of the Gentiles.

21.  “And it shall come to pass that I will establish my people, O house of Israel.

22.  “And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem.  And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.”

This Book of Mormon Jesus then reiterates the theme of the Book of Mormon, that in the last days the Gentiles will come to this land and scatter the Indians (who are of the House of Israel) because of their unbelief, but then if the Gentiles harden their hearts against God, he will use the Indians to punish the Gentiles:

28.  “And they shall be a scourge unto the people of this land.  Nevertheless, when they shall have received the fullness of my gospel, (that is, when the Gentiles have had a true prophet, Joseph Smith, and the restoration of the only true Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) then if they shall harden their hearts against me I will return their iniquities upon their own heads, saith the Father.”  (emphasis is mine)

Joseph Smith later identified Independence, Missouri as the location of the New Jerusalem.

Now if you are a true Mormon, how can you deny the very clear words of Jesus in the Book of Mormon and want me to agree with you that they are not true?  I do not think they are true, but not because I agree with you.  I just don’t agree with the Jesus of the Book of Mormon.  If you read carefully what I quoted from B. H. Roberts in “Book of Mormon Problems” on my website, then you will see that he correctly read and understood these passages as I have explained them here, and even he, devout Mormon that he was, and recognized Mormon expert in the Book of Mormon that he was, had great difficulty accepting these passages at face value.  Present-day Mormon apostles may want to turn readers away from the clear meaning here, but that doesn’t change their obvious meaning.

Well, I hope this clarifies my thoughts on this matter for you.

Yes, I am sincere in following God.  I trust that you are, too.  I do indeed look forward to future conversations with you.   I do want you to make heaven and I want to be there with you.

Sincerely yours,

Dean Helland

Tammy Hughes writes again:

I am not publicly teaching wrong things. I am suggesting you change this point:

6. "These converted Indians will then exterminate those gentiles in the Americas who will not accept it."

This view, as your others, is not correct. It is NOT a prophetic FACT that it WILL happen.  I suggest you "clarify" the statement just as the verse in the Book of Mormon clarifies it.

 My Reply:

   I know that that passage will never come to pass.   That is one reason why I put it up on my website:  To expose the false prophecy in the Book of Mormon.

   Of course it is ridiculous to think that this particular prophecy should actually happen. 

   It shows how much of an ego-maniac Joseph Smith was, to put words into the mouth of Jesus Christ which would back up the Book of Mormon.

   Joseph Smith had a habit of doing that, of course.

   When he wrote the “Inspired Version” of the Bible (to correct it), he added a whole additional section to Genesis chapter 50—verses 24 through 33—and makes the Bible prophecy about himself!  It is obviously another false prophecy, for it ends in verse 33 saying:

  “ And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father;”

   Well, it is obvious that those who tried to destroy him were not confounded!  They succeeded in killing him dead!  Oops! Another false prophecy!

   I am certainly not happy about this. 

Dean Helland

Further Communications from T.H.:

Dear Tammy:

You wrote: Your sincerity has limits. There is plenty of room for error from Joseph
Smith without twisting what the Book of Mormon says. You should remove that
statement instead of going off on a tangent.

Well, Tammy, it is hard for me to believe that you apparently try to separate the Book of Mormon from Joseph Smith.  It seems to me that your primary reason for doing so is the "testimony" of David Whitmer.

If you were to hire someone to work for you, would you base your decision on what he told you about himself?  Let's go one step   further:  Would you base your decision on what someone who has   colluded with him in the past says about him and/or his product?

Have you studied what others say about David Whitmer, other than  his buddies which he mentions in his booklet?  Have you studied to see what Joseph Smith said about David Whitmer?  Have you studied to see what other people who had interviewed David Whitmer said  he told them which does not line up with what he says in his  booklet?

Have you studied the Doctrine and Covenants to see how Joseph Smith attempted to prepare the "three witnesses" by briefing them on what they would see and what they were to say after seeing it   (which is quoted almost word-for-word in the beginning of every Book of Mormon)? Are you aware that it took several more days for Martin Harris (one of the 3 witnesses) to be able to claim he saw the same vision that Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer saw?  Are  you  aware that Oliver Cowdery later married David Whitmer's  sister?   Are you aware that Martin Harris' wife (who later divorced him)  said that when she objected, he declared that he would make a lot of money for financing the printing of the Book of Mormon?

Are you aware that Joseph Smith and his family were deeply involved in looking for buried treasure using folk witchcraft techniques long before Joseph Smith came up with the idea of the   buried plates for the Book of Mormon?  Are you aware that Emma Smith's father was against his daughter's marrying Joseph Smith because he said that he was a con man? Are you aware that Joseph Smith   was convicted for practicing witchcraft to look for buried treasure in Bainbridge, New York, and the complete testimony is available specifying just how he operated?  Are you aware that after Joseph  Smith's supposed visitation by angels whereby he was told all religious professors were deceivers, he tried to join  the Methodist  Church and was turned down for membership for being  an undesirable  person?

Tammy, I think you should examine the source of where the Book of Mormon came from more closely before accepting it as the divine Word of God.  If God was so interested in the baptismal and  sacrament formulas, He could have put it into the Bible, couldn't   He?  Or do you accept the Book of Mormon teaching that many "plain and precious things" have been removed from the Bible, resulting  in  Satan having "great power" over those who have only the Bible.   see 1 Nephi 12:39

As for no destruction of the Gentiles actually taking place (based Paul’s writings in Romans chapters 9-11), look at 1 Nephi 22:12-23.  This is an end-time prophecy which predicts the destruction of the wicked and the preservation of the righteous.  There is no question that this destruction of the wicked is to take place.  There is no qualification in this passage suggesting that all will repent and that no destruction will take place.

Well, I am glad to discuss these things with someone who believes   the Book of
Mormon.  There are not many people who know the Book of Mormon enough to discuss these matters.

Sincerely yours,

Dean Helland

 

Quoting Tammy Hughes:

 You forgot Joseph's other wives; their ages, etc.

Were you a sincere seeker of truth (as you claimed) I would have striven longer, and completed the part-truths that you mentioned. God uses fallible people to prevent us from trusting the "arm of the flesh." How you live with yourself accepting the errors of Bible prophets is weird to me. Are you aware of the number of Christians fleeing their childhood faith's because when they go to college, they learn all of its errors???

Do I believe "God left out the baptismal and communion instructions" as you said? Not hardly, but "fallible man" of course. Please don't believe all those missing books and epistles were God-caused also???

I will not leave the point you try to justify.  Your mischaracterizing what the BoM says about Indians wiping out the Gentiles. Don't respond until you correct the error(s).

Dr. Dean’s reply:

Dear Tammy:

  Maybe you did not realize it, but I did correct your errors.  Thanks for your communication.

  As for secularist humanistic college professors, when they speak about the Bible, they
might just as well speak about plumbing or knitting.  They do not know anything about the Bible other than they must strike out against it for it condemns their life-style.  I feel sorry for you and anyone else who falls for their attacks on the Bible.  I believe the Bible as it stands.  I believe God was able to protect it against the ravages of time.  That is what Jesus believed, and I agree with him.  As for books that are missing, I think it has all the books in it that belong there.

You are the first person I have ever met who couldn't understand the words of Jesus as portrayed there.  It is so simple:  "Repent and believe the Book of Mormon, and you won't be taken out when Jesus gives the word to the Indians to kill all the unbelievers in the Americas.”  What a nice way for the Indians to get their land back!

Best wishes,

Dean Helland

 

Non-Believing Ex-Mormons

Dear Dr. Dean:  What makes you think the Bible is actually the Word of God?  Why do you think I should pay any more attention to the Bible than to the Book of Mormon and the Joseph Smith's other revelations?  I think it is all bogus! 

Dr. Dean's answer:  How can we look at the marvelous creation all around us and think that the God that made all this is incapable of making Himself known to mankind?  He did that by sending His Son, Jesus Christ.  The Bible records Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection in exquisite detail by eye-witness testimony.  Jesus believed the Old Testament literally.  (the scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35)  And he trusted his disciples and the Holy Spirit to continue his message until his return.  (John 15:26-27) The result was the New Testament.  Both Jewish and Christian leaders were led by God to reject the numerous spurious writings to give us the canon as it exists today in the King James Version of the Bible.

  We know from abundant manuscript discoveries and scholarly research that the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, are essentially unchanged from when they were first written.  The Bible guided the founding fathers of the United States in setting up this great nation.  The Bible is the solid rock for God's principles of morality and godliness.  All other ground is sinking sand!  

Dear Dr. Dean:  Oh, baloney!  The Bible is just ancient silly God myths about a Hebrew god.  It is totally unnecessary!  It is not any better than the Book of Mormon!  I find your band of religion to be every bit as delusional as Mormonism.  Once you figure out that the Bible is just one more book of myths and that "God" is an invention of the human mind, then I will think you are worth listening to!

Dr. Dean's reply:  The Bible, among other things, played a key part in the founding of our great nation, the United States of America.  The Book of Mormon, unfortunately has been shown to be fraudulent fiction.  Had Joseph Smith just contented himself with publishing it as religious fiction, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it.  And you would not have any reason to throw the Bible away along with it, either!

Dear Dr. Dean:  If you can question mormonism, why not Christianity?  Or other organized religions with their roots and beginnings? 

Dr. Dean's reply:  I think I did my share of questioning everything.  But I also think I honestly turned to God, if He were real, to lead me to the answers.  I have seen the blind see, the deaf hear and the lame walk when I prayed for them in Jesus' name.  I have no reason to doubt the Bible when I've seen things like that happen.  That's pretty good for an ex-Mormon, huh?

Response:  I don't believe for a minute that there have been any healings in the name of your god through your prayers!  That's just nonsense.  You have the audacity to say that you are so powerful that you can pray to your imaginary deity to restore sight, hearing and walking! 

The power of delusion is indeed great, I see!  Either that is the trick of a magician or maybe you are just a common liar!  Come on.  Entertain us with more of your miracles!  Is that all you can do!

Dr. Dean's reply:   That seems to go along with what Jesus said in John 14:12, even if it doesn't go along with your thinking.  I would rather follow him!

At least your should accept the evidence of a God provided by creation.  If God is that intelligent, why can't he be capable of communicating to the only part of creation capable of thinking about Him--mankind!  I believe that he did that through the inspired writings of eye-witnesses through the Bible!

Dear Dr. Dean:  You remind me of when I was a hard-core Mormon.  I spent a lot of time pointing out how ridiculous other religions were.  I couldn't see my own religion's problems, though they were worse than the religions I was criticizing.

It took only about two months after I stopped believing in Mormonism before I realized that Christianity was about as valid as the Easter Bunny.

Nowadays, to believe the Old Testament, you would have to deny all reason and rationality.  There are tons of things in Genesis from the story of Adam to Abraham that are not even logical, let alone likely.  Science has rendered most of Christianity obsolete.  How can we take advantage of science's benefits and ignore that?  Isn't that being hypocritical?

Religion was more acceptable when people didn't have any other way to explain things.  Now, instead of prayer, we have medicines for sicknesses and Google for knowledge!  Religion may provide some emotional comfort, but it at the same time blinds people with irrational beliefs, making them unwilling to see simple truths if they are not in harmony with the Bible.

I must admit, though, that a lot of your criticisms of Mormonism ARE quite accurate.

Dear Dr. Dean:  You think the American democracy was founded on the Bible?  And you actually earned a doctorate degree?  Absolutely amazing!  You certainly are mistaken if you think anybody will fall for your right wing fundamentalism!

Dr. Dean's reponse:  Ho hum!

 

Bible-believing Christians

A letter from T. L. Osborn (press this title to follow the hyperlink)

D. J. M.--Christian Educator:

  "I spent some time on your web site.  It's informative, attractive and friendly, not fearful!  Well done!   "A word aptly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver."    Proverbs 25:11

Letter from a concerned mother:

My son is a freshman at the university.  His girlfriend is a  Mormon.  He notified us two weeks ago that he would be baptized in a  Mormon temple soon.  He's been a Baptist since 2002.  I  tried to change his mind but failed.  Is there any way that you  could help out?

My reply:

I would suggest that you download the article on my website entitled, "My Visit With Two Mormon Missionaries."  Maybe he will read it.  If so, it could enlighten him enough to change his mind.  I would welcome any correspondence with him, of course.

Dr. Dean Helland

Letter from a Christian organization:


Dear Dr. Dean:  We help match Christian couples for marriage.  We have read over your website and consider it a good source of information on Mormonism.  May we have permission to link up with your website to recommend it to Christians who are considering marriage with a Mormon?

My reply:

Of course!

Letter from a friend who has recently turned Mormon:

Dear Dr. Dean:

I stumbled on to your website and I was very impressed by your discussion with the missionaries. I am not as well versed in the Bible as you are and I would like some advice or some assistance if possible.

 A very dear friend of mine was recently sucked in by the lies of the LDS church and has "fallen in love" with a Mormon missionary. There is no logical or philosophical argument that they will accept. They claim that their acceptance of the faith is based on their "feeling" of what is right and what is wrong. There is nothing I can say that has any noticeable impact on that "feeling."

 When I talk to this person, she is no longer her true self. It is very clear that she has been a victim of mind control. Is there anything that I can do to counteract these effects? I have not yet lost hope for her recovery. I am willing to bring in counselors if necessary.

My reply:

I am so sorry to hear what has happened to your friend.  Unfortunately, this is typical of many other young people around the world that are "charmed" by the Mormon missionaries. 

You did not say if this dear friend of yours had been a born-again Christian or not before this happened, but I assume she was.  The problem is that she has accepted the Mormon challenge of using the Book of Mormon occultic technique of "praying to see if it is true."  This short-circuits all power of reason or normal thinking processes and opens the person up to demonic confirmation which go counter to the biblical injunction to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (I Thessalonians 5:21)

The Smithsonian letter under up-date 9/4/11 will give the response of the scientific world to the claims of the Book of Mormon.  That should be enough for a thinking person to hesitate going into Mormonism.  However, the spiritual aspect of this deception is something that science cannot understand or deal with.

The Biblical injunction for this is found in 2 Timothy 2:24-26:  "The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."

You are confronting a very strong spirit when you combat Mormonism.  You must bind it in prayer before you even attempt to deal with the deceived person.  Then, use the Bible.  Even when the person rejects the Bible as full of errors, it will still accomplish its purpose.  It is the hammer that breaks the heart of stone when used properly.  Remember, the hammer will not break!  The stone will break! (See Jeremiah 23:29 in reference to the power of the Word of God against false prophets!)

Some good scriptures to start with are:  Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Corinthians 11:2-4, 13-15 and 1 John 4:1.    The trap is set when people who don't understand Mormonism ignore the scriptural instruction of 2 John 10, which says;  "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.  For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Try to keep the channel of communication open, for the Mormons will try to get her to close it off!  My prayers are with you, my friend.


Prayer of Salvation:

  Lord Jesus, I thank you for your Holy Word, the Bible, which reveals the plan of salvation which is so simple.  I repent for thinking that a church could save me when you only ask me to come to you in simple faith.  Lord, I have heard your knock at the door of my heart.  I open that door and ask you to come in.  I believe that you lived a sinless life, took my sins upon you when you died on the cross, and are now at the right hand of the Father, praying for me.

  I renounce Mormonism and everything associated it.  I ask for release from all the spirits of deception I have allowed in my life by doubting your holy Word and following the teachings of men.  Cleanse me with your shed blood.  I believe.  I receive you now as my Lord and Savior.  I will seek out a church which teaches the Bible as the guide for my life.  I will be re-baptized as a testimony of my new-found faith.  I give you my life.  Do with me what you will.  I promise never leave you, with the help of the Holy Spirit.

Thank you, Jesus!  Amen!

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