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Feedback and Dialogue Mormons Louis Midgley: 1-19-2007 Still Another Blank Louis Midgley 1-20-2007 Some thoughts on one "pro-Mormon" rally From Jonathan--June 6, 2007 Greetings, Dr. Dean HELLand, Thank you very much for your views on the restored Church of Jesus Christ. I feel extremely sorry for you as you have been given the opportunity to know the truth and have rejected it. I thought it amusing your name contains the word HELL, as the doctrine you preach about the Savior's own Church comes to you from Satan himself. Please come back. You can be forgiven. The Savior loves you and I know he will
forgive you. Saul rejected and persecuted the saints. Please, don't wait for
an angel to appear, you can do it on your own. Please come back to the truth! Dr. Dean's reply: Thank you, Jonathan, for your most interesting observation on my name. You are the first person to make that precise connection. For your information, my grandfather came from Norway and changed his last name to "Helland" after the farmland where he was raise in Norway. In Norwegian it means "the Land of Good Fortune"! Do please write again! From G. H.--April 30, 2007 Dear Dean; There have been many times in my life when I have looked for ways to or reasons or the ability to deny what I have experienced but I have never been able to. What you have sent doesn't do the job either. I would hope that what you sent was personal and what you see as in my best interest. For that I thank you for caring. I would hope that out of
respect for a fellow brother that you would allow and respect my belief as I
respect yours. As time unfolds it will become clear if I have made the right
choice or not. I would hope that if I have been deceived by the cunning and
craftiness of men that the Savior will see that I have tried to lead a good life
and that my love for those around me who ever they may be is without guile.
Dear G. H.: I sense your sincerity, and assure you that I have wished many times that
someone had approached me as I have attempted to approach you, with a gentle and
loving challenge to study the scriptures. August 2009 Ex-Mormons Book of Mormon believers who are not Utah Mormons (LDS) Robert Maley's Story (Press titles to follow hyperlinks) Someone else wrote: Dear Dr. Dean: How can you abandon your faith in the Book of Mormon when there is so much archeological evidence supporting it? How dare you abandon your faith like that. Don't you know that will condemn you to spend eternity with Satan in hell? Dr. Dean's answer: First of all, I praise God that Jesus Christ is my Savior and that not believing in some book other than the Bible is not going to cause me to go to hell! Secondly, it seems that all the so-called archeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon is bogus. It is enough to satisfy Mormon scientists, but no one else! This is what the Smithsonian Institution wrote about all this "archeological evidence" that keeps popping up: "No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt." "Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland." More from Robert Maley: Yes, Jos. Smith, Jr. was quick to turn to any available source that would further his designs to build a Church based on an Old Testament, totalitarian, oligarchic model. But he did not follow any Book of Mormon precedents or guidlines as he had been commanded, nor did he proceed by any divine-command instructions. He was forced (in order to achieve his goals) to fabricate his revelations from other existing sources, significant of which was Freemasonry at the head of others. The ultimate outcome was Mormonism, which has proven to be an embarrassment to both the LDS Church and Freemasons equally, due to striking similarities. Maley P.S. Keep in touch. A Series of Communications with Tammy Hughes, a follower of the teachings of David Whitmer: You say "nearly all my family was baptized in the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, seeing visions and even witnessing miraculous healings in answer to prayer.” I assume that was the Holy Spirit, which healed and provided those visions, INCLUDING “That convinced us that God was calling us to preach the Book of Mormon with signs following."
Was your family baptized in the Holy Spirit? Why would that spirit lie? As a guest on a radio program, I was once asked, “Do you believe that the Mormon Jesus can save your soul? I wanted to be clear in my answer, but to be clear, I had to clarify how I felt growing up as a Book of Mormon believer. I said, “I have always loved Jesus from as early as I can remember. As a young child, I remember praying and asking Jesus to let me die so I would be sure to go to heaven, since I was afraid that I might turn away from Jesus when I grew older, and I was sure to go to heaven if I died as a child.” “But do you think the Mormon Jesus can save
your soul?” was the persistent question. “But do you think the Mormon Jesus can save
your soul?” came the question again. “Well, no.” I said at
last. The Mormon Jesus cannot save anyone’s soul, and that is
what God let me see and why I had to turn loose of Joseph Smith and the Book of
Mormon!” “How is that?” was the next
question. Now getting back to your question of how my family could be baptized in the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, seeing visions and even witnessing miraculous healings in answer to prayer” and concluding that “God was calling us to preach the Book of Mormon with signs following,” let me say this: We never had the problem, as do most Mormons, of doubting the authority of the teachings of the Bible. I believe God honored that. In other words, if we were deceived into believing in a false Jesus, the one in the Book of Mormon, we were at least blessed by also believing in the real Jesus, the one in the Bible. Our problem was that of not being able to distinguish between the two. And if we were mistaken in how to find the real Jesus, the real Jesus knew how to find us and break through to us so that we could distinguish the difference between the two. That is what happened: the real Jesus honored our faith in him, let us taste his fullness by granting us genuine evidences of His presence and love for us, but let us follow our erroneous ideas based on the Book of Mormon to find out where they would take us, and then gently led us out of error and into His wonderful light! My understanding of what happened is that there were two opposing powers competing for our souls and we mixed up their messages, supposing them to be one and the same. If you study the early history of Mormonism, you will see that this is not unlike what happened to many people at that time. There were tremendous revival movements at the time with many spiritual manifestations, some of God and some not of God. People had to choose which to follow. Those who followed the Bible as the complete and sufficient Word of God stayed in one camp, and those who were willing to listen to other voices went off into different paths. One of those voices was Joseph Smith's and Mormonism. God loves everyone and is not willing that any should perish. But
God has given us a free will, and does not force us
to follow him. He even allows those whose hearts are not right to be
deceived. (1 Corinthians 11:19) However, we can know him through the light of
the Word of God which Jesus believed and which he fulfilled. (see Isaiah 8:20,
Isaiah 40:8, Isaiah 50:11 and Matthew 5:17-18) Thanks again for caring
enough to write. Tammy writes again: 8/26/09: Are you sincere in following God? Will you fix the error claiming the Gentiles "will be destroyed?" There is no use dialoguing if you are not sincere. My reply: Dear Tammy: Please read the words of the Book of Mormon Jesus in 3 Nephi 16:7-16. According to the Book of Mormon Jesus (who I believe is a pale imitation of the Bible Jesus), the Gentiles who do not repent and accept "the fullness of my gospel" will be destroyed by the converted Israelites in the last days (see 3 Nephi 16:15-16). You can see that the Americas, then will be inherited by the righteous gentiles who will be counted as part of Israel, and the American Indians who are the offspring of Lehi and those who came over to this continent some 600 years before Christ to populate this hemisphere. After the Book of Mormon Jesus serves the sacrament to the multitude in 3 Nephi 20, he continues this thought in verse 10: “And it came to pass that when they had all given glory unto Jesus, he said unto them: Behold now I finished the commandment which the Father hath commanded me concerning this people, who are a remnant of the house of Israel.” (Italics are mine) He then quotes Isaiah and applies it directly to the people standing before him: 14. “And the Father hath commanded me that I should give unto you this land, for your inheritance. 15. “And I say unto you, that if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people— 16. “Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. 17. “Thy hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off. 18. “And I will gather my people together as a man gathereth his sheaves into the floor. 19. “For I will make my people with whom the Father hath covenanted, yea, I will make thy horn iron, and I will mande thy hoofs brass. And thou shalt beat in pieces many people; and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. And behold, I am he who doeth it. 20. “And it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that the sword of my justice shall hang over them at that day; and except they repent it shall fall upon them, saith the Father, yea, even upon all the nations of the Gentiles. 21. “And it shall come to pass that I will establish my people, O house of Israel. 22. “And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem. And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.” This Book of Mormon Jesus then reiterates the theme of the Book of Mormon, that in the last days the Gentiles will come to this land and scatter the Indians (who are of the House of Israel) because of their unbelief, but then if the Gentiles harden their hearts against God, he will use the Indians to punish the Gentiles: 28. “And they shall be a scourge unto the people of this land. Nevertheless, when they shall have received the fullness of my gospel, (that is, when the Gentiles have had a true prophet, Joseph Smith, and the restoration of the only true Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) then if they shall harden their hearts against me I will return their iniquities upon their own heads, saith the Father.” (emphasis is mine) Joseph Smith later identified Independence, Missouri as the location of the New Jerusalem. Now if you are a true Mormon, how can you deny the very clear words of Jesus in the Book of Mormon and want me to agree with you that they are not true? I do not think they are true, but not because I agree with you. I just don’t agree with the Jesus of the Book of Mormon. If you read carefully what I quoted from B. H. Roberts in “Book of Mormon Problems” on my website, then you will see that he correctly read and understood these passages as I have explained them here, and even he, devout Mormon that he was, and recognized Mormon expert in the Book of Mormon that he was, had great difficulty accepting these passages at face value. Present-day Mormon apostles may want to turn readers away from the clear meaning here, but that doesn’t change their obvious meaning. Well, I hope this clarifies my thoughts on this matter for you. Yes, I am sincere in following God. I trust that you are, too. I do indeed look forward to future conversations with you. I do want you to make heaven and I want to be there with you. Sincerely yours, Dean Helland Tammy Hughes writes again: I am not publicly teaching wrong things. I am suggesting you change this point: 6. "These converted Indians will then exterminate those gentiles in the Americas who will not accept it." This view, as your others, is not correct. It is NOT a prophetic FACT that it WILL happen. I suggest you "clarify" the statement just as the verse in the Book of Mormon clarifies it. My Reply: I know that that passage will never come to pass. That is one reason why I put it up on my website: To expose the false prophecy in the Book of Mormon. Of course it is ridiculous to think that this particular prophecy should actually happen. It shows how much of an ego-maniac Joseph Smith was, to put words into the mouth of Jesus Christ which would back up the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith had a habit of doing that, of course. When he wrote the “Inspired Version” of the Bible (to correct it), he added a whole additional section to Genesis chapter 50—verses 24 through 33—and makes the Bible prophecy about himself! It is obviously another false prophecy, for it ends in verse 33 saying: “ And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father;” Well, it is obvious that those who tried to destroy him were not confounded! They succeeded in killing him dead! Oops! Another false prophecy! I am certainly not happy about this. Dean Helland Further Communications from T.H.:
Dear Tammy:
Non-Believing Ex-Mormons Dear Dr. Dean: What makes you think the Bible is actually the Word of God? Why do you think I should pay any more attention to the Bible than to the Book of Mormon and the Joseph Smith's other revelations? I think it is all bogus! Dr. Dean's answer: How can we look at the marvelous creation all around us and think that the God that made all this is incapable of making Himself known to mankind? He did that by sending His Son, Jesus Christ. The Bible records Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection in exquisite detail by eye-witness testimony. Jesus believed the Old Testament literally. (the scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) And he trusted his disciples and the Holy Spirit to continue his message until his return. (John 15:26-27) The result was the New Testament. Both Jewish and Christian leaders were led by God to reject the numerous spurious writings to give us the canon as it exists today in the King James Version of the Bible. We know from abundant manuscript discoveries and scholarly research that the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, are essentially unchanged from when they were first written. The Bible guided the founding fathers of the United States in setting up this great nation. The Bible is the solid rock for God's principles of morality and godliness. All other ground is sinking sand! Dear Dr. Dean: Oh, baloney! The Bible is just ancient silly God myths about a Hebrew god. It is totally unnecessary! It is not any better than the Book of Mormon! I find your band of religion to be every bit as delusional as Mormonism. Once you figure out that the Bible is just one more book of myths and that "God" is an invention of the human mind, then I will think you are worth listening to! Dr. Dean's reply: The Bible, among other things, played a key part in the founding of our great nation, the United States of America. The Book of Mormon, unfortunately has been shown to be fraudulent fiction. Had Joseph Smith just contented himself with publishing it as religious fiction, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it. And you would not have any reason to throw the Bible away along with it, either! Dear Dr. Dean: If you can question mormonism, why not Christianity? Or other organized religions with their roots and beginnings? Dr. Dean's reply: I think I did my share of questioning everything. But I also think I honestly turned to God, if He were real, to lead me to the answers. I have seen the blind see, the deaf hear and the lame walk when I prayed for them in Jesus' name. I have no reason to doubt the Bible when I've seen things like that happen. That's pretty good for an ex-Mormon, huh? Response: I don't believe for a minute that there have been any healings in the name of your god through your prayers! That's just nonsense. You have the audacity to say that you are so powerful that you can pray to your imaginary deity to restore sight, hearing and walking! The power of delusion is indeed great, I see! Either that is the trick of a magician or maybe you are just a common liar! Come on. Entertain us with more of your miracles! Is that all you can do! Dr. Dean's reply: That seems to go along with what Jesus said in John 14:12, even if it doesn't go along with your thinking. I would rather follow him! At least your should accept the evidence of a God provided by creation. If God is that intelligent, why can't he be capable of communicating to the only part of creation capable of thinking about Him--mankind! I believe that he did that through the inspired writings of eye-witnesses through the Bible! Dear Dr. Dean: You remind me of when I was a hard-core Mormon. I spent a lot of time pointing out how ridiculous other religions were. I couldn't see my own religion's problems, though they were worse than the religions I was criticizing. It took only about two months after I stopped believing in Mormonism before I realized that Christianity was about as valid as the Easter Bunny. Nowadays, to believe the Old Testament, you would have to deny all reason and rationality. There are tons of things in Genesis from the story of Adam to Abraham that are not even logical, let alone likely. Science has rendered most of Christianity obsolete. How can we take advantage of science's benefits and ignore that? Isn't that being hypocritical? Religion was more acceptable when people didn't have any other way to explain things. Now, instead of prayer, we have medicines for sicknesses and Google for knowledge! Religion may provide some emotional comfort, but it at the same time blinds people with irrational beliefs, making them unwilling to see simple truths if they are not in harmony with the Bible. I must admit, though, that a lot of your criticisms of Mormonism ARE quite accurate. Dear Dr. Dean: You think the American democracy was founded on the Bible? And you actually earned a doctorate degree? Absolutely amazing! You certainly are mistaken if you think anybody will fall for your right wing fundamentalism! Dr. Dean's reponse: Ho hum!
Bible-believing Christians A letter from T. L. Osborn (press this title to follow the hyperlink) D. J. M.--Christian Educator: "I spent some time on your web site. It's informative, attractive and friendly, not fearful! Well done! "A word aptly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver." Proverbs 25:11 Letter from a concerned mother: My son is a freshman at the university. His girlfriend is a Mormon. He notified us two weeks ago that he would be baptized in a Mormon temple soon. He's been a Baptist since 2002. I tried to change his mind but failed. Is there any way that you could help out? My reply:I would
suggest that you download the article on my website entitled, "My Visit With Two
Mormon Missionaries." Maybe he will read it. If so, it could enlighten him
enough to change his mind. I would welcome any correspondence with him, of
course. My reply: Of course! Letter from a friend who has recently turned Mormon: Dear Dr. Dean: I stumbled on to your website and I was very impressed by your discussion with the missionaries. I am not as well versed in the Bible as you are and I would like some advice or some assistance if possible. A very dear friend of mine was recently sucked in by the lies of the LDS church and has "fallen in love" with a Mormon missionary. There is no logical or philosophical argument that they will accept. They claim that their acceptance of the faith is based on their "feeling" of what is right and what is wrong. There is nothing I can say that has any noticeable impact on that "feeling." When I talk to this person, she is no longer her true self. It is very clear that she has been a victim of mind control. Is there anything that I can do to counteract these effects? I have not yet lost hope for her recovery. I am willing to bring in counselors if necessary. My reply: I am so sorry to hear what has happened to your friend. Unfortunately, this is typical of many other young people around the world that are "charmed" by the Mormon missionaries. You did not say if this dear friend of yours had been a born-again Christian or not before this happened, but I assume she was. The problem is that she has accepted the Mormon challenge of using the Book of Mormon occultic technique of "praying to see if it is true." This short-circuits all power of reason or normal thinking processes and opens the person up to demonic confirmation which go counter to the biblical injunction to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (I Thessalonians 5:21) The Smithsonian letter under up-date 9/4/11 will give the response of the scientific world to the claims of the Book of Mormon. That should be enough for a thinking person to hesitate going into Mormonism. However, the spiritual aspect of this deception is something that science cannot understand or deal with. The Biblical injunction for this is found in 2 Timothy 2:24-26: "The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." You are confronting a very strong spirit when you combat Mormonism. You must bind it in prayer before you even attempt to deal with the deceived person. Then, use the Bible. Even when the person rejects the Bible as full of errors, it will still accomplish its purpose. It is the hammer that breaks the heart of stone when used properly. Remember, the hammer will not break! The stone will break! (See Jeremiah 23:29 in reference to the power of the Word of God against false prophets!) Some good scriptures to start with are: Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Corinthians 11:2-4, 13-15 and 1 John 4:1. The trap is set when people who don't understand Mormonism ignore the scriptural instruction of 2 John 10, which says; "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." Try to keep the channel of communication open, for the Mormons will try to get her to close it off! My prayers are with you, my friend. Prayer of Salvation: Lord Jesus, I thank you for your Holy Word, the Bible, which reveals the plan of salvation which is so simple. I repent for thinking that a church could save me when you only ask me to come to you in simple faith. Lord, I have heard your knock at the door of my heart. I open that door and ask you to come in. I believe that you lived a sinless life, took my sins upon you when you died on the cross, and are now at the right hand of the Father, praying for me. I renounce Mormonism and everything associated it. I ask for release from all the spirits of deception I have allowed in my life by doubting your holy Word and following the teachings of men. Cleanse me with your shed blood. I believe. I receive you now as my Lord and Savior. I will seek out a church which teaches the Bible as the guide for my life. I will be re-baptized as a testimony of my new-found faith. I give you my life. Do with me what you will. I promise never leave you, with the help of the Holy Spirit. Thank you, Jesus! Amen! If you prayed this prayer sincerely, please contact Dr. Dean at the email address below and let him know about it. He will see that you receive the guidance necessary to keep you in the ways of the Lord. Of course, your name and email address will be kept confidential. NOTE: Unless confidentiality is specifically requested, the correspondence to Dr. Dean is assumed to include permission that such communication may be used in part or in whole on this website or elsewhere.
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